4.11 or 4.44 gears

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4.11 or 4.44 gears

Postby Myxalplyx on Sat Apr 10, 2004 1:18 pm

So, when are one of you guys (or gals) going to do this conversion? Is anyone working on this? I was going to go head first in getting this done a few weeks ago until my engine went *Poof*. I was talking to Huck about it and was going to try it out.

Anyways, anyone else game to try to get this done? It would be pretty cool and feel great with our low end torque.
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Postby Huck369 on Sat Apr 10, 2004 9:07 pm

You still need to do it Kevin....when you stick th enew motor in yours :wink:
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Postby 88XT6joe on Sun Apr 11, 2004 10:07 am

Can I get some more details on the swap what parts and stuff.

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Postby Huck369 on Sun Apr 11, 2004 3:37 pm

It'd just be swaping the ring and pinion in the front diff and the ring and pinion in the rear diff...easier on the auto, as the front diff is seperates from the tranny, the manual doesn't.
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Postby Myxalplyx on Sun Apr 11, 2004 3:39 pm

Huck369 wrote:It'd just be swaping the ring and pinion in the front diff and the ring and pinion in the rear diff...easier on the auto, as the front diff is seperates from the tranny, the manual doesn't.


The FWD you just have to swap the front diff and the ring, right?
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Postby Huck369 on Sun Apr 11, 2004 3:44 pm

Myxalplyx wrote:
Huck369 wrote:It'd just be swaping the ring and pinion in the front diff and the ring and pinion in the rear diff...easier on the auto, as the front diff is seperates from the tranny, the manual doesn't.


The FWD you just have to swap the front diff and the ring, right?


Yep, on a FWD you'd just have to swap out the front ring and pinion gears.
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Postby 88XT6joe on Sun Apr 11, 2004 5:33 pm

But who make the ring and pinions for our cars. I was just wondering is it a factory part or aftermarket??

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Postby Huck369 on Sun Apr 11, 2004 8:34 pm

I'm under the impression you can use the ring and pinion out of a newer gen. 4EAT for the XT6 4EAT, and most of the newer gen's have 4.11 or 4.44's, their are a "few" that have 3.90's (Turbo Legacy), but the majority run 4.11's

I'd say the same holds true for the manuals ring and pinion, but you'd have to split the case to install them in the manual.
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Postby 88XT6joe on Sun Apr 11, 2004 8:45 pm

Cool thanks for the info.

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Postby Huck369 on Sun Apr 11, 2004 8:50 pm

I might add, I haven't talked to anyone that has done the swap from the newer gen to the older one, but my tranny guy concurs with me that he's pretty sure they would work.
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Postby 88XT6joe on Sun Apr 11, 2004 8:59 pm

Has anyone asked any of the older generation guys on USMB? Maybe I'll start a thread over there.

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Postby Myxalplyx on Sun Apr 11, 2004 9:17 pm

Huck369 wrote:I might add, I haven't talked to anyone that has done the swap from the newer gen to the older one, but my tranny guy concurs with me that he's pretty sure they would work.


Damn it! This only makes me boil even more. I'm sure I would've at least had a set of 4.44s with me by now ready for installation. A higher stall speed torque converter would've followed suit. :evil: Somebody do this.
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Front Ring and Pinion

Postby Myxalplyx on Mon May 10, 2004 2:19 pm

Just trying to do my homework before I do something stupid or pricey.

I've been calling around today using car-parts.com. I have been shopping for the front ring and pinion off of a 1999 Subaru Legacy. The XT6 I have is FWD so all I need is the front ring and pinion to swap out from what I read above. The ring and pinon I want to have put in is 4.44s.

The price the shops are giving me is $350 shipped. Does this seem too high/expensive? Do any of you know where I can get a set of front ring and pinion gears for an auto that are 4.44s for cheaper? Please let me know as soon as you can. I'd like to order some before Wednesday so I can get here by next week. Thanks!
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Postby Huck369 on Mon May 10, 2004 2:32 pm

Kevin,
I can probably still get you the 4.11's for cheap, like we discussed earlier....is your 6 running again :?:

The 4.11's would be a pretty good jump from the stock 3.70s
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Postby Myxalplyx on Mon May 10, 2004 2:39 pm

Huck369 wrote:Kevin,
I can probably still get you the 4.11's for cheap, like we discussed earlier....is your 6 running again :?:

The 4.11's would be a pretty good jump from the stock 3.70s


Huck,

I'm definitely interested. No..wait...I'm beyond interested. I want them.

I called the shop I had my car towed too and got some good news today.

Me: Hello, this is Kevin Thomas, the one who's black Subaru XT6 you towed last week. I'm just calling to see if you looked at the car yet and if so, what's wrong.

Shop: Hey man, what's going on?!? That Subaru runs really strong but we can't figure out why it idles differently from the other Subarus we've worked on.

Me: Oh, I forgot to tell you it have aftermarket cams. Yes, it has aftermarket cams on them.

Shop: Well, that explains it. Yes, this car runs really strong man. The timing was slightly off. It's ready for pick up but we are closed today. Can you stop by in the morning.

Me: Sure and thanks Tito (shop owner).

I checked and rechecked those timing belts. If any were off, it would've been the passenger side one but ONLY by one tooth. Somehow, I guess it skipped a tooth because it ran smooth the day before it wouldn't run right at all. The timing belt covers are off of it for now so I'll look at the position of the timing 'nick/slots' to see exactly where it's at. Thanks for all your help guys. I thought I had became a 'timing expert' though. :oops: :roll:

So, now I'm looking for some gears. And Huck, there's no question I'd like to try them out. :wink: I think the gearing is one piece to the puzzle as to why this car isn't stronger then it feels it should be.
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